Studio B with Shepard Smith

Fox News, May 24, 2007

Trace Gallagher: And breaking today, the world has spoken, “No nuclear weapons,” those words from President Bush. He warned its time to beef up sanctions against Iranian for ignoring the demands again and again; all this coming as the UN’s nuclear watchdog warns Tehran has made dramatic progress is its enrichment capabilities. And right now, just off Iran’s coast, nine US warships packed with seventeen thousand sailors and marines are conducting war games within striking distance of Tehran. With us now inside studio, Alireza Jafarzadeh, he’s a FOX News foreign affairs analyst and author of The Iran Threat: President Ahmandinejad and the Coming Nuclear Crisis. And coming nuclear crisis seems to be closer every day because he won’t listen, and these sanctions just have no teeth.

Alireza Jafarzadeh: You’re absolutely correct Trace. I think the experience of the past four years has basically shown that all the efforts that the IAEA and the International committee has done, including the EU3, trying to negotiate a settlement with Iran has basically failed.

Trace Gallagher: What is El Baradei and these guys—why do they keep saying “Well you know what, why don’t we give them a little nuclear capability, lets just give them a little more?” Its always like lets acquiesce and acquiesce again, and someone at some point in time is going to have say “enough is enough.”

Alireza Jafarzadeh: Well that’s exactly what Tehran wants to do; they want to say “Okay, you have to live with our nuclear capabilities.” Remember, four years again when this whole thing started, when I first revealed the nuclear sites in August of 2002 in Natanz and Arak, Iran didn’t really have this level of capability, yet the negotiations by the EU3 and the IAEA provided Iran with the opportunity to complete its nuclear program, and now, they are really far more advanced than people thought. They have at least sixteen hundred centrifuge machines in operational mode and that’s very dangerous.

Trace Gallagher: So you tell me, he defies the UN; he takes hostages of Iranian Americans and British sailors. You tell me what the last straw is?

Alireza Jafarzadeh: Also, adding to that list is what Iran is doing in Iraq. They are the—

Trace Gallagher: Exactly.

Alireza Jafarzedeh: Biggest destabilizing source, killing the soldiers there, in fact the most deadly weapons, roadside bombs known as the EFPs, are built in Tehran by the Iranian Revolutionary guards, the Qods Force, and sent across the border provided to the Iranian regime’s proxy groups. So Iran—the Iranian regime—has already made up its mind on what it wants to do with the rest of the war.

Trace Gallagher: Defying to the end.

Alireza Jafarzedeh: Defying to the end. They want to turn Iraq into an Islamic Republic. They want to get the nuclear weapons as rapidly as possible and then use that as leverage to expand their ideology in the region. They believe in the global Islamic rule. That’s why we need to pursue a totally different approach now.

Trace Gallagher: So while we talk talk talk, and I’ve got about fifteen seconds left, we talk talk talk, and when’s the time for action?

Alireza Jafarzadeh: I think the time for action is long overdue. What the United States needs to do is to strike at the Achilles heel of the Iranian regime, which is its internal situation. There were some four-thousand anti-government demonstrations in Iran, targeting the Iranian regime. The organized opposition is very strong, very active—

Trace Gallagher: They are already fed up, right?

Alireza Jafarzadeh: They are already fed up, I think what we need to do is change the policy to stop hindering the efforts of the Iranian opposition and putting more pressure on the Iranian regime to change the balance.

Trace Gallagher: Alireza Jafarzadeh. Great to see you.

Alireza Jafarzadeh: Thank you.